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RMF Summary: Week of March 11 - 17, 2013

March 12
worship of Jesus child
Maria posts: .... Freising near Munich: Seelenkind (Soul child). When a new nun went to the monastery, she brought a Jesus child (doll) with her who was looked after by her during her whole life in her room with fancy dresses, toys, even changing napkins and fondling it. They discovered several Jesus children which used to belong to nuns from our convent school. We never knew about it.



March 12
My new blog on Tibet Uprising Day: China delayed it by 4 days after
Rajiv shares his new blog on HuffPost:  Please post comments THERE AND NOT HERE. You can post a link here to your comment...
.....BTW: My Wharton blog first went into 48 special editorial review, and I had to escalate the matter to higher ups, complaining that HuffPost should live up to its public image of intellectual freedom. Once I did that it went thru fast. On the Tibet blog, it took 4 emails to various levels of management, and well over 4 days...

March 13
Kant's rigid and abstract categorial imperative versus Indian contex
Subra shares a link: .... Rajiv ji tweeted yesterday:  The post uses ideas from BD to study how Kant's 'categorical imperative' rigidity is less useful in practical conflict resolution (e.g. in modern decision-support systems) compared to the contextual ethics developed in Dharmic thought systems, and is illustrated using Asimov's sci-fi robotic laws.




March 14
US Catholic Church a $170 billion business
Srinath shares: Hindus too have been watching the choice of a new Pope, perhaps with a faint anticipation of a more "liberal" Pope and a softening of the views of the Church... it's sheer folly to think that a business that spends $170 billion annually in the US alone will change its tactics or philosophy any time soon.

March 15

Re: Manipal's Mohandas Pai wakes up to India's shabby treatment, say
Ganesh shares:....visit to IISc, Bengaluru for the launch of Sri Rajiv Malhotra's book Being Different. His speech in IISc, clearly showed his understanding of the western universalism and how many of the Indian academicians, with their left leanings, were influencing top US universities in a manner that can only be called retarding progress. Hoping to hear more such top notch names of Indian industry come out in open and voice their support for the right cause, without fear of media and the ruling party.

Renu adds: "....Let us resolve to not just be the World Guru but also a strong power that will stand for no nonsense and small acts of silly disrespect from the West or the East any more. That is our YUGA DHARMA now."
 

March 16
Shri Rajiv Malhotra's Talk at New Delhi on 23 March
Jalan invites: ... 7th Chamanlalji Memorial Lecture which Shri Rajiv Malhotra will be delivering. Details as below:
    Event:                     7th Chamanlalji Memorial Lecture

    Main Speaker :     Shri Rajiv Malhotra
    Chief Guest :          Dr.Subramanian Swamy
    Time:                       Saturday March 23, 4.00 pm
    Venue:                    Constitution Club, New Delhi

 
March 16
Shiva-worship-not-a-religious-act-income-tax-tribunal-says
Kiran shares a link.

Arun shares an alternative link: ....The Economic Times has it much better.   In brief, the IT department had gone after an institution claiming it was a religious, not a charitable institution; and the IT Tribunal said, no, it was a charitable institution...

Venkat comments:
"....Expense on worship of Hindu Gods & Temple maintenance cannot be regarded to be for religious purpose

The core issue the definition of Hinduism and giving importance and preference to the western term "religion" The answer will be a vigorous propagation of indigenous Hindu friendly terms while showing why foreign descriptions are not suitable for our society. .


Rajiv adds:
"A major problem has been caused in India by the legal use of the term "religion" in giving special tax treatment and other concessions. The above article is the latest of a series of rulings that some aspect of Hinduism is not entitled to religious treatment.

So to get equal rights in our own country, we must prove we are a "religion" as per Abrahamic criteria, because that's the definition enshrined in our laws.

I wish someone would litigate in the Supreme Court that the legal provisions made for "religions" should equally apply to dharmas as well. Otherwise we are at a disadvantage when we show our distinctiveness, and to claim parity we must get ourselves digested into "religion".

What a joke! What a circus full of clowns!!" 

[We have noted Rajiv ji's comments on the sad state of affairs  in the wikipedia page. This website now has a collection link to Rajiv Malhotra's works. Click Rajiv ji's picture on the right to access].


March 17
My Wikipedia entry is obsolete, misleading
Rajiv comments: ... In [the] .... Wiki post (on differences between dharma and religion) also, he has "digested" my works into a sundry of misc articles by several persons. There is virtually nothing I wrote and certainly not a deep appreciation of the differences between dharma/religion as expounded in BD

[this directly relates to the book BD. We hope to collect this discussions and summarize in a separate post]
March 17
Special issue on Being Different in the International Journal of Hindu Studies
Several critical reviews were written. Here is Rajivji's rebuttal to those reviews. ...

[depending on the trajectory of the discussions in this thread, we may cover this in depth later.]
March 17
ISKCON: Push Marketing?
Sunday March 10, 2013, Hindu Temple of Atlanta had special Mahasivaratri puja & events. The premises has separate temples for Shiva & Vishnu (Balaji). I was...
 


 

RMF Summary: Week of May 9 - 15, 2011

May 12
Princeton Univ. Debate - Video Uploaded
http://breakingindia.com/videos?id=118
There are several videos from the event listed in a table of contents at the right.
We link to some of the videos below:

The 'Breaking India' book launch:


The Princeton University Debate with Nehemiah Thompson


May 13
Yankee Hindutva Strikes
Vijaya Rajiva notes: 
This piece ' Yankee Hindutv Strikes' (May 23, 2001, Outlookindia) is not really a review but a trashy polemic against Breaking India and it is by someone called Gita Ramaswamy, possibly one of the new journalists hired by
Outlookindia. One wonders what her qualifications are to review this book.

It is full of errors and makes no attempt to outline the main arguments of the book...
...
 ...I had sent my article/review 'Breaking India: Some Reflections' to Outlookindia, but it was politely rejected, even though I had sent in my academic credentials etc...

This thread is continued here.

May 14
Fwd: Aryan Invasion Theory
Sent by Murali:
Director
Bal Ram Singh, Ph.D.
Phone: 508-999-8588
Fax: 508-999-8451

Date: July 3, 2006
PRESS RELEASE

Scientists Collide with Linguists to Assert Indigenous origin of Indian Civilization
Comprehensive population genetics data along with archeological and astronomical evidence presented at June 23-25, 2006 conference in Dartmouth, MA, overwhelmingly concluded that Indian civilization and its human population is indigenous.
In fact, the original people and culture within the Indian Subcontinent may even be a likely pool for the genetic, linguistic, and cultural origin of the most rest of the world, particularly Europe and Asia.
Leading evidences come from population genetics, which were presented by two leading researchers in the field, Dr. V. K. Kashyap, National Institute of Biologicals, India, and Dr. Peter Underhill of Stanford University in California. Their results generally contradict the notion Aryan invasion/migration theory for the origin of Indian civilization.
.... 
... Bal Ram Singh, Ph.D. Director, Center for Indic Studies University of Massachusetts Dartmouth 285 Old Westport Road Dartmouth, MA 02747
Phone: 508-999-8588 Fax: 508-999-8451 Email: bsingh@...
Internet address: http://www.umassd.edu/indic 

May 15
5-min video by ex-KGB man on psychological warfare against nations
Sameer writes: If you watch this video, you will understand how pervasive and systematic the process is that the book discusses...


May 15
IndiaToday reports on foreign funds fueling religious conversions to
Manas reports: Independent churches mushroom across India attracting foreign funds ..









RMF Summary: Week of March 22-28, 2011

March 22
Another example for chpt 8 - Kalai Kaviri
[Chpt 8 discusses numerous ways by which inculturation is being used to dupe naive Hindus into slipping into Christianity without knowing it. The appropriation of Hindu bharatnatyam dance to propagate Christianity is given as one example. Below is another.]

Kalai Kaviri was founded by a Jesuit priest by name Fr. S.M. George in 1977 at Tiruchirappalli in the Southern part of India...

... no Christian family came forward to support him as dance was considered profane....

... Kalai Kaviri brought out ‘Yesu Kaaviyam’ the poetical life history of the Jesus Christ written by the famous Tamil film lyricist Kannadasan...

... many tourists from various countries, Catholic fraternity in particular started showing interest in Kalai Kaviri visiting the institution. With such rapid growth, Kalai Kaviri inaugurated the full-time Bharathanatyam diploma course ...

... Inspired by the art forms fostered in the Hindu temples, Kalai Kaviri choreographed Indian classical and semi-classical dances on liturgical themes and presented them during the masses. Such performances were acclaimed to by the Christian community the world over as something unique and the first of its kind....

... In 1999, Kalai Kaviri introduced Post-graduate degree courses in Bharathanatyam and music...

Rakesh asks:
"Frankly, what is wrong with this? Afterall, Rukmini Arundale, had to recuperate Bharata Natyam from a Devadasi art form which was looked down upon, and make it respectable for most Hindus.

In fact Hindus should appropriate western art forms to propogate their culture. Imagine providing an intellectual back bone to the traditional African and Latin American faiths by incorporating the Peruvian Inca Sun God as Surya Narayana and Krishna and Kali as the Black Pride Divinities. It is better to make Hinduism an inclusive, global faith..." 

Response to Rakesh's post:
[Inclusiveness is not the same thin as appropriation for the sake of deception.] Inclusiveness is sharing the same platform with another idea or culture with equal diginity. What Kalai Kaviri is doing is not what Rukmini Arundale did.

Inclusivism is not appropriating other culture and practices.
Interpreting the Peruvian and African gods and godesses as Hindu gods and goddess would be appropriation. However, researching about similarities and differences is a different matter altogether.

[What is being criticized is INCULTURATION which is a very defined Church strategy to assimilate "portions" of the target culture in order to make Christianity more easily accepted. It is their entry strategy. This is not what genuine inclusiveness means. When Ravana came dressed like a sadhu, he was not practicing inclusiveness.]]


Another commentator states:
"Christian inculturation camouflages and conceals its real tentions and does not come with benign intentions."


March 22
Look at who is coming to educate Indians!!
ARTICLE IN INDIAN EXPRESS After Beijing, University of Chicago plans centre in Delhi A prestigious university, with a well-established academic reputation for...

March 23
Varna and Caste (jati): What Vedic Literature says - article
Vedic Literature Says Caste by Birth is Unjust
By Stephen Knapp (Sri Nandanandana dasa)
            ...We all know that the Vedic system of Varnashrama has been mentioned in the Vedic literature in many places. But it seems that many people still don't understand how it was meant to be implemented. It is not because of Varnashrama, but because of this misunderstanding of what it really is that has caused so many of India's social problems. This article contains many quotes from Vedic shastra to clarify what the Varnashrama or caste system is actually supposed to be...

March 24
USCIRF Reports an Analysis (Chapter 15)
Aravindan Neelakandan: Chapter 15 of 'Breaking India' deals with the US Government's direct involvement in Indian society and polity. The book shows how the US Commission on International Religious Freedom is one such tool for intervention.(Pages 271 to 283)

The book shows how every one in the commission has been handpicked to serve the agenda of US political interests. They are also people with strong global evangelical ambitions. For example its past commissioners include Eliot Abrams, undersecretary of state for President Ronald Reagan and notorious for his role in the Iran-Contra Affair. Another key commissioner of USCIRF Richard Land was named by TIME magazine as one of the twenty five most influential evangelicals in America...

A. Neelakandan then responded to a question from a commentator:
//In the first part, you will notice a question referring to the "brahmanical" system of "enforcing" varna. Is that historically true? That is, did brahmins actively "enforce" varna, or did they just strictly "observe" it?//

Yesterday a well known Marxist writer interviewed me for his blog on 'Breaking India'. If you know Tamil please go through the audio interview. The interview
precisely touches upon this question. [Here is the mp3 version of the Tamil interview].

http://marudhang.blogspot.com/2011/03/blog-post_21.html

Varna system could not have been enforced by any particular community. Those communities that wielded political, financial powers along with those who were considered the authorities of Dharma should have created this over a long period of time and with enormous regional variations. It was a social contract at its best and it had its ills and merits.
March 24
Re: N.S. Rajaram's column on human rights hypocrisy
The following column on 'Human rights Madness' appeared in the latest issue of Newsgram.

March 24
Re: Who educates Indian MP's - guess ?-- who is to blame?
 N. S. Rajaram: Why blame them? They are just filing the vacuum left by Hindu 'thinkers' or 'non-thinkers'.

For over a decade myself and others have been urging the Sangh organizations to set up some bona fide think tanks devoted to education, economics and especially national security. They need to be staffed by outside scholars of proven track record.

But what do they do? They coin some Sanskrit term like Bauddhik Sangh, Itihasa Samiti, Vedic mathematics, etc and put people with no qualifications beyond Sangh association.

Sangh organizations have saddled themselves with the debilitating dogma tha answers are to be found by going back to an imaginary Vedic past. This
revivalist attitude hangs like an albtross around the necks (and brains) of Sangh thinkers, and they are sinking deeper into the morass.

So why blame the Ford Foundation if they are filling the vacuum left by Hindu 'bauddhiks'?

March 25
Dark side of giving: The rise of philanthro-capitalism
This article was forwarded by my friend Prashanth Vaidyaraj. It notes from the economic stand point the truth of how philanthropic money is being used to not...

March 25
Wickileaks: US Ambassador monitored Dalit tensions secretly
Please note that this is ""This record is a partial extract of the original cable. The full text of the original cable is not available...

March 26
Christians launch political party in Tamil Nadu

Varna and jati (caste)
we have already covered lengthy and useful debates on this topic and this thread continues the analysis. Here is the link to the previous discussion.
Vijaya Rajiva: Comment on Dr. Elst's observation that Jati and Hinduism have been associated for at least two thousand years:

Jati has been wrongly translated as 'caste' since the Portuguese did so based on their erroneous theory of different races existing in India. There were a variety of ethnicities in ancient India, but not different races.

Jati arose out of the shrenis (guilds) out of economic necessity, the need for specialisation for producing the goods for both trade and domestic consumption. It is generally assumed that shrenis did not exist in the early Vedic period, although some scholars seem to think that there were the beginnings of shrenis in that time frame.

Certainly by the post Vedic period they existed and the loose social formations of the period became crystallised into Jatis...

Dr. Aravindan Neelakandan responded to Vijaya Rajiva. I've carried more detailed excerpts since Dr. Neelakandan cited a short story of Isaac Asimov as a reference in his response :)

 
 //I disagree with your implicit statement that Jati and Hinduism are actually intertwined. In that regard you and Dr.Elst seem to be in agreement!//

No. Exactly opposite is the case. Perhaps the following statement of mine has been misunderstood: //So Jaathi is as inherently intertwined with Hinduism as much as birth-based institutions of Europe are inherently intertwined with Christian theology.//

Now the birth-based multi-layered institutions of pre-modern Europe were supported by Christian theologians and law-makers. This does not make Christianity, in the eyes of modern scholars, a supporter of this system. However with Hinduism different yard sticks are used. An essentialist argument
is put forth to say that Hinduism is intertwined with Jaathi. This is simply not the complete picture and is a distorted picture of history. In this connection,
with regard to the evolution of untouchability, one of the best insights on the subject is in an unexpected realm. I suggest the science fiction short story
"Strikebreaker," by Isaac Asimov, in "Anthropology Through Science Fiction", (Ed. Carol Mason, Martin Harry Green- berg, and Patricia Warrick, New York: St. Martin's Press, 1974)Unfortunately I lost my copy of this wonderful collection.:( In the related discussion, Asimov states that caste system evolves
in a society with limited resources and limited mobility...
...Veracity of this speculation by the good doctor of science fiction, can be further validated by the fact that pre-Modern Europe also had defiled trades and ritual notions of purity and untouchability. It is not just an accident that not many works or literature can be found on this subject in the Western curriculum. The one rare book I came across in this regard is "Defiled Trades and Social Outcasts: Honor and Ritual Pollution in Early Modern Germany" by Kathy Stuart
(Cambridge University Press 2006)...
[I found a free and legal archived pdf link to Kathy Stuart's work here]

... So we need not justify or label Jaathi as an uniquely Indic phenomenon. But what one finds unique as an Indian is this: There is not a single instance of mass movement in Christendom that spoke for these voiceless people of dishonorable trades.

... So caste system can evolve anywhere given the appropriate social conditions. In India it became rigid with colonial resource drain. In Europe it withered away with enormous inflow of capital and resources ...

... I also think those who want to somehow preserve the Jaathi and project it in a positive light often fail to see the dark alchemy that this system is undergoing
in India....

 ... Here let me again quote 'Breaking India' which deals more objectively the situation and the pros and cons of Jaathi. This is from Chapter 5 of the book and is under the sub-heading "Building on Max Muller's work":
Prior to colonialism, the jati-varna system in India had little, if anything, to do with race, ethnicity, or genetics. It was better understood as a set of distinctions based on traditional or inherited social status derived from work roles...

... Max Müller, who was largely responsible for entrenching the racial framework for studying jati, had his own evangelical motive. In his view, caste: which has hitherto proved an impediment to conversion of the Hindus, may in future became one of the most powerful engines for the conversion...

 ... Today Jaathi has become an important and effective tool for community evangelism. So those who bat for it should take this worrying aspect into consideration.

[there were some followup responses, but for brevity, we will stop here. Readers can click the RMF link and read the discussion in its entirety]

March 28
Princeton Univ, March 31: My debate with prominent Indian Christian
Rajiv Malhotra: On March 31, Princeton Univ will hold a discussion/debate on my book, "Breaking India: Western Interventions in Dravidian and Dalit Faultlines."
The response to my talk will be given by the Rev. Dr. Nehemiah Thompson. He is the Pastor at Wesley United Methodist Church, as well as General Secretary, National Association of Asian American Christians in the USA. He is a well-known leader for Dalit activism before the UN, US Government in Washington, Indian Embassy, and media. 
March 

RMF Summary: Week of March 7-14, 2011

March 7
Indian Christian lashes against 'breaking India' activities by Church
This long post has 2 items. PART I is a letter by an IndianChristian activist against the Church's politics of the kind that are breakingIndian communities by...

March 8
Madurai book club
I wish to thank Suri for the superb arrangement for launching the book "Breaking India" in Madurai. This was the major and unique function apart from...

Chennai launch featured in Arsha Vidya Newsletter
Chennai launch of Breaking India is featured in the February issue of the Arsha Vidya newsletter


Comment by Prof Shiva Bajpai
(Professor Emeritus at the California State University of Northridge. Co-author of, "A Historical Atlas of South Asia."
"This is an impressive work based on solid and thorough research on the major theme, Western Interventions in Dravidian and Dalit Faultlines. Your treatment of the subject is both scholarly and exhaustive as well as dispassionate. The book is indeed revelatory  because there is no other authentic account of how the global nexus of anti-India agencies and their Indian agents have undermined the unity of a democratic India ...

Koenraad Elst, the distinguished scholar comments:

Dear listfolk,
 
>Durgavati was born in Chandella clan of the Rajputs from and she was married in a Raj-Gond family. There is a theory that the Raj-Gonds are descendants of Rajputs who intermarried among Gonds. There is another theory that claims that the Chandellas were derived from the Gonds, the marriage of Durgavati is cited in support of this thesis. <

Chandella looks like it is derived from the related tribal ethnonyms Gond/Kond/Kandh. So does, probably, Chandâla. Ptolemy mentions the Kandaloi as an Indian tribe. In Wendy Doniger's Manu Smrti translation, Chandâla is given a literal interpretation, "the 'fierce' untouchables", which may well be how Manu himself understood the term. But that would be folk etymology, overlaid on a purely ethnic term such as Kand/Kandaloi. The name Chandâla is mentioned in the Chandogya Up.,..


March 8
Re: tribe and caste (jati)
It is a question of interest as to when and why Untouchability arose. And the question of the relationship of Jati to Varna. In my article 'Gandhiji was right...

March 8
Madurai disscusion of the book: March 6.
Book Readers' Club at Madurai had arranged for an introductory lecture on 'Breaking India' book at Arvind Eye Hospital auditorium...

March 9
US tops Rs 31,000cr-donation list (2006-09)
[The book has an appendix on this data and examines the activities of the westernn nexus and Indian recipients. The actual sums are much larger.]
SHOCKING! A large portion of this money comes from organizations with vested interests in India, as mentioned in BI (e.g. church-based proselytizing orgs) 31K crores in Rupees at the current (2012) exchange rate is about $6.2 Billion using 2009 exchange rate of 37Rs/$, this comes out to about $8.3 Billion. Of this, about 1/3 or about $2Billion comes from the US alone.

March 9
Ashani Sanket
Another example of an organization meddling in internal Indian affairs. so much for sovereignty.
(original news link was broken. I've googled and updated with live link)

March 9
No quota benefits after conversion: High Court
No quota benefits after conversion...

March 9
Re: Tribe and caaste (jati)
Dear Dr. Elst, Here is the train of thought: Both tribes and Jati were endogamous, but the Jati was linked to the economic unit of the shreni(guild). Jati...

March 10
Re: N.S. Rajaram on BREAKING INDIA by Malhotra and Neelakandan
Distinguished scholar N.S. Rajaram notes:
The Chicago based NEWSGRAM carried my article on the book Breaking India by Rajiv Malhotra and Aravindan Neelkandan. It can be found here.

March 10
Plight of scavenger dalit communities
Vijay Rajiva adds:
Below is a relevant account of the position of the Bhangis. You may kindly read the attached pdf on present Dalit (Scavengers). Here's the dostoc link.


March 10
N.S. Rajaram's press statement
*March 11, 2011* ** Here is an advance copy of the statement being released to the media at 10:00 AM today (March 11).
Here is an advance copy of the statement being released to the media at 10:00 AM today (March 11). The book Breaking India will also be presented at the meet. The opinions given below are my own though I have consulted the book. I take full reponsibility [sic] for it.
 - N.S. Rajaram
March 11, 2011: Statement to the media
Meeting on conversions: Summary of Dr Navaratna Rajaram’s presentation:
1.       Christian churches and their affiliated organizations must be seen as multinational socio-political entities that have no spiritual or even religious content.
2.       Their officials like bishops, archbishops, etc are not spiritual leaders but bureaucrats appointed by their masters like the Vatican, Church of England, etc. They can call themselves His Holiness, but they are no more than appointed representatives of foreign multinational corporations....

March 11
Is there a gene that prevent us from falling apart even as we quarrel
Link.
Just as no Hindi movie can survive without a Comic Relief so no Indian discussion group can survive without some Intellectual Relief...
 
March 12
Dalit Freedom Network
Below is an excerpt from "Breaking India" (pages 220 to 222) pertaining to Dalit
Freedom Network (DFN):
[BEGIN EXCERPT]:
Dalit Freedom Network, based in Colorado, USA, is an example of a West-run organization that professes to champion Indian Dalit emancipation through policy advocacy in the power centers of the USA.

March 13
Re; Tribe and caste (jati)
N. S. Rajaram comments: 
I agree wholeheartedly with Shri Aravindan Neelakandan's view that we should move quickly and resolutely to remove any lingering injustices towards the Dalits. Much has already been done by GOI, individuals, NGOs and the nationalist organisations. More can be done.

We have to do it because it is our Dharma, not because the EU or other busy bodies are trying to tell us what is ethical behaviour...

March 13
Arya
Koenraad Elst comments:
The use of Arya cognates in Hittite and Lycian (Anatolian) in the sense of compatriot, fellow citizen is given in standard textbooks of Indo-European linguistics, such as JP Mallory, and in the On-line Etymological Dictionary http://www.etymonline.com/

The same in Iranian is beyond dispute. Iran <= Airyanam Khshathra. In 2006, Tajikistan hosted the UNESCO-sponsored World Aryan Fair, or so, where Aryan in effect meant Iranian,...

 
Blogger's note (November 2012):
The contributions from noted Indian scholars (aside from the authors of 'Breaking India' themselves) like NS Rajaram, Koenraad Elst, Vijay Rajiva, among others, to the initial  RMF debates are outstanding, and establish a certain level of rigor and burden of proof in the discussions apart from not shying away from naming some of the big problems that confront Hindu society in India, i.e. Dalit emancipation, and made a strong case (both based on Hindu texts as well as empirical evidence) for bringing them back into the Hindu fold, if its not too late ....