Showing posts with label Max Mueller. Show all posts
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Kanchi seer Mahaperiyavaa foresaw many decades ago what Rajiv Malhotra says about Indology today

The following extract is taken from the book The Vedas by Kanchi seer Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswati which can be found here. The translation is by late Shri. NSS Rajan. It is a translation of selected discourses by Paramacharya on Vedas and related topics from Tamil to English. The first edition of this book is 1988, so timing of his discourses is before 1988.

In this extract the seer makes his observations on Indology studies by Westerners and he said the same things then (about 40-50 years ago) that Rajiv Malhotra is saying today. Read on to find out how.

It is a matter for regret that the main source of the knowledge about the Vedas for most of us in India is the research done by foreigners called orientalists and our scholars who follow in their footsteps and conduct research. I agree that foreign scholars have indeed made very useful contributions concerning the knowledge about the Vedas. We must acknowledge it and thank them for it. Many like Max Muller have really taken great pains to collect material and analyse it as they were inspired by the grandeur of the Vedas. They have written volumes on the Vedas. We would be struck with wonder at the number of publications released by the Asiatic Society, founded over 200 years ago by Sir William Jones, who was then a Judge of the Calcutta High Court. Max Muller, with the aid of the East India Company, had serially printed and released Rig Veda with Saayana's commentary and also many other Hindu religious texts. Englishmen, Germans, French and even Russians have worked hard with their researches. They have collected and published translations of the Vedas along with the extant aphorisms, which were scattered in parts all over India.

There are foreigners who have also served the cause of some other aspects of our cultural heritage. When Lord Curzon was the viceroy, the Protection of Ancient Monuments Act was enacted. This stopped vandalism. Ferguson took photographs of all sculptural treasures throughout the century and made us aware of their importance. Cunningham, Mortimer Wheeler, Sir John Marshall are all noted archaeologists. Mackenzie gathered ancient palm leaf scrolls from all over the country without which we could not have known about some of our sastras. A separate department of epigraphy was instituted only during the British Rule. Thus a lot of gain accrued to us from foreign domination. But in their wake came losses too. The Indologists and orientalists were committed to writing ancient history from material taken from Vedic texts and, in the process, introduced the till then unheard of concept of Aryans and Dravidians, which created mutual hatred. Their conclusions were based on what they called rationalisation, according to which anything outside the ken of the sense organ, can only be regarded as allegorical. This would permit them to regard the ancient Rishis as primitive men inferior to the modern. Their analysis of our religious texts was motivated by the desire to show Christianity as a better religion. All the while they kept up the facade of impartial research and, in the process, denigrated our religion.

Noting the points of similarity between Sanskrit and their language, many studied our texts purely in the interests of cornparative philology.

We can admire them for their tenacious research, and the publicity they gave to the greatness of the Vedas. But they missed the essential purpose of the Vedas which is to ensure the well·being of the universe at large by spreading the sound of Vedic chant and ensuring the performance of Vedic rites. Setting aside. these two essentials, the Vedas, which are beyond its reach, have been sought to be analysed by the brain. What should subsist as a living force in word and deed of the common man has been entombed in voluminous books adorning the shelves of libraries, like keeping fauna in museums which house skeletons and archalc objects.

Dangers for India in collaborating with German Indologists

This important and urgent interjection from Rajiv Malhotra is sparked by an article appearing on the site samachar.com. The article can be read here.

Here is Rajiv's take on the subject matter of the article.

The above mentioned initiative is carefully couched in terms of Germany helping India educate its people in science/vocations. Then comes the message at the end, "Opportunities to partner with Germany on their initiative to set up an International Centre for Advanced Studies in Humanities and Social Sciences were
also discussed".

Any western intrusion into humanities/social sciences amounts to further colonization into Western Universalism.

We suffer not only the fact that most Indian scholars in positions of influence in humanities/social sciences are seeped in WU and their careers depend on it, even worse is that we lack Hindu minded scholars of good quality and in large numbers. You dont want to replace the anti-Hindus with uninformed pro-Hindus - that always backfires and makes things worse. So its not an easy predicament.

In this situation comes an offer from various western countries to "help" us. This means more western theories and further erasing of dharmic siddhanta.

What we need instead is to push indigenous research and training in our own worldviews - how our traditions study society and humanities. Once we have created a critical mass inside India then we must export this worldview and our trained scholars. Thats what the purpose of places like Nalanda used to be long ago. It created a huge soft power advantage for India.

While we were the world's largest exporter of knowledge in the liberal arts once, we have now become one of the world's largest importers of higher education.

The German ambassador is trying to impress the Indian govt with carrots. How aware and well informed are our folks about the dangers of past German Indology from Max Mueller to Michael Witzel? BI has an overview of this past baggage in the early chapters.

While many of them distorted Indian sanskriti, others busily plagiarized and digested it. For example: Wilhelm von Humboldt learned a lot about Pannini from other Indologists, and then claimed to invent modern grammar. Wikipedia entry has not a single word on the Sanskrit influence and says the following about him: 
"He is credited with being the first European linguist to identify human language as a rule-governed system, rather than just a collection of words and phrases paired with meanings. This idea is one of the foundations of Noam Chomsky's theory of language. Chomsky frequently quotes Humboldt's description of language as a system which "makes infinite use of finite means", meaning that an infinite number of sentences can be created using a finite number of grammatical rules."

RMF Summary: Week of June 13 - 19, 2011

June 13
Thanjavur a Cultural history by Pradeep Chakravarthy and Christian Fabre
Ganesh has a very useful informational post: I request people to visit this link and watch the interviews of Pradeep Chakravarthy on NDTV Hindu...

Pradeep Chakravarthy is the Principal, Infosys leadership institute who has been using the age old teachings inscribed by our great kings in the temples they have built as lessons to up one's leadership quotient. Here's one article by him in Outlook business April 02,2011.

Those who are in India, should get hold of Outlook Business, June 25,2011 edition. His second such article using the wonders of Krishna Deva Raya  of Vijayanagara Empire, is penned in it.

Also Outlook business has a small review of an autobiography called THE HOLY CEO: An autobiography authored by Christian Fabre alias Swami Pranavananda Brahmendra Avadhuta. Here's the excerpt from the review from this link ...

June 13
Polish University To Set Up Tamil Chair !?
[Given the explanation in "Breaking India"] I am suspicious... Polish University To Set Up Tamil Chair ...
 [If anybody has an update on this, please post in comments section and/or RMF]
 


June 13
Indian Bishop in charge of Asian Evangelization is nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize
A similar effort is on in Pakistan where the Roman Catholic Church has planted a "nun" to serve the poor (read "the remaining Hindus" numbering 4 million) of...
Here is a followup link by Manas.

June 14
Presidential Candidate Rick Santorum is mentioned in "Breaking India
On page 228, 232: "In 2006, a `Religious Freedom Day' was organized on Capitol Hill in Washington by the right-wing Christian fundamentalist, Senator Rick..

June 14
American tourists on 'conversion drive' asked to leave
Times of India reports: American tourists on 'conversion drive' asked to leave: Three US women tourists were asked to leave the country following complaints that they along with local pastors were trying to convert "poor families" to
Christianity.

KOCHI: The fear of proselytization by Christian missionaries has gripped the southern most state Kerala yet again...

June 14
A decade old fight against US govt anti-Ram bias put into school textbook
Rajiv Malhotra: In the 1990s, when Lynn Cheney (Dick Cheney's wife) was head of the US National Endowment of Humanities, it gave a grant to Syracuse Univ's famous anthropologist to develop a school text on teaching Ramayana. This was widely promoted as a good way to teach multiculturalism, One of the lesson plans in that text was an anti-Ram song which was to be enacted in classes. Ram is accused of being an Aryan oppressor of Dalits and Dravidians, killing of Muslims and violence against women. Infinity Foundation led a protest against this material...

A copy of this letter appears at the end of this post below.

June 15
The duo "father-daughter" and the book!
M. Deivanayagam has been so happy for the prominence given to him and his daughter in the book. He has brought out 4 page coverage including the scanned copy...
June 15
US Christian evangelistic network gets FIPB nod to launch channel in
US Christian evangelistic network gets FIPB nod to launch channel in India May 5, 2011 http://www.indiantelevision.com/headlines/y2k11/may/may22.php MUMBAI:...

June 15
What we could learn from Mormons about higher education
 God's MBAs: Why Mormon Missions Produce Leaders ...

June 16
Re: Gandhi and the Khilafat
N. S. Rajaram: I  I have discussed it in my book Gandhi, Khilafat and the National Movement: A revisionist view based on neglected sources. A version is available here.

June 17
Huffington Post: How Evangelists are inventing "Dravidian Christianity"
Rajiv Malhotra: Please read my latest Huffington Post blog, comment on the blog itself, and pass it to friends.

June 17

Ramakrishna and Islam
Vijaya Rajiva writes:
Re: Kanchan Bannerji's quote from Christopher Isherwood's Life of Sri Ramakrishna(1963). Isherwood borrowed from the earlier work by Romain Rolland The Life of..
 ...It is interesting to note that Max Mueller also wrote a Life of Ramakrishna. Max Mueller's interest was brought about by his association with Keshab Chunder Sen of the Brahmo Samaj (influenced by Christianity).

As Breakingindia points out : MM's motives in studying Sanskrit etc. had an ulterior motive, the conversion of pagan India to Christianity.
Vijaya Rajiva has a followup on this.

June 17
This thread covers a debate on the Ramakrishna Mission and sameness and elicited a lot of feedback. We will try to cover this in-depth in a separate post.
RKM and sameness - debate
I have been following the discussions concerning Christianity and Hinduism, especially the last one by Jataayu. I agree with him that the widespread grassroots...

This is an intriguing post, so I'm including this post by Chitra in this summary!
June 17
Scottish bill would criminalize sectarianism in football
It was announced just this morning over the BBC that Scotland is proposing introducing laws that would make inciting sectarian violence connected with football...

The thread below also produced a lot of comments.
June 17
Even in the USA, Baptism had difficulties...
Amritasyaputra discovers:
Just read on internet:

"Baptisms in the Southern Baptist Convention (USA), the nation's largest Protestant denomination, have dipped to their lowest point in 60 years..."

In Germany, the number of members is actually decreasing.
Everywhere people have enough of it, so they export it to the innocent foreign countries....

Koenraad Elst responds:
"No, people in the West who have had enough of Christianity, do not export it to foreign countries. Not today, at least. In the colonial age, the militantly secularist French Third Republic (1871-1940) promoted Catholicism in its colonies to forge ties of loyalty to France (as against their native society as well as Protestant Britain, Holland, US etc.) among the natives. But that is kind of long ago. Hindus would do well to outgrow the anachronism in their view of the West... 

...Remember that the EU elites refused to have a reference to Christianity in the
preamble to the EU Constitution. Now that Hungary has included such a reference
in its own new constitution, reactions in EU circles were very hostile...

... To be sure, the Church has ways to get around this hostile attitude: they simply clothe their projects in the language of social justice and human rights. On that condition, most powerful circles in the West will still support the agenda
of those who want to break India...

...At any rate, ex-Baptists and ex-Catholics are *not* dumping their rejected religion on India. Only the committed believers are promoting the mission.

... The claim that ex-Baptists send Baptism to India, stems from the long-standing Hindutva refusal to think ideologically, preferring to reduce everything to matters of nation vs. nation...

Church history should teach you this much: all your hectoring about the mission as a "Western" strategy, though it had a point during the colonial age, is oblivious to the Church's tradition of shifting alliances. When US power collapses, and when Baptist pews in the US fall empty, the Baptist missions in India's Northeast will readily write their American origins out of the record, identify with Naga or Mizo etc. nationalism, and then continue to weed out the remnants of Hinduism with renewed zeal. And all these brown- and yellow-skinned Baptists will have a good laugh at the silly Hindus who keep on wailing about "white Christians". "

Rajiv Malhotra disagrees with K. Elst on a point:
"I disagree with Koenraad that Europeans are not exporting christianity.

Breaking India discusses details of how and who is doing this. The Lutheran Church in Europe is covered in detail as an example and there is also a whole appendix devoted to this.

Let us not quibble about whether this is state or church; it is European institutions doing it. I had an extensive discussion with evangelists from Finland in south India last year. This group pretending to be "tourists" were rather shocked when I asked them point blank "are you missionaries" after they told me the name of the village they were headed to. They were exceedingly nice and pleasant in their characteristic style, very well educated.

In fact, countries like Finland give a formal status to Christianity. Germany gives a portion of tax collected to the church. Though the public at large is secular the church is rich in assets and ambition, and this is externalized. The Scandinavians have had a lot of interest as mediators in Sri Lanka where their missions are rampant."

 N. S. Rajaram agrees with K.Elst on a different point:
"Koenraad is absolutely right about Hindus not making
friends. Even people like me are turned
off by the indifference and being taken for granted.

When Jayalalithaa won the TN election, several Christian leaders went and congratulated her and greeted her. No Hindu leader did, except Narendra Modi, and he too as a fellow CM. Hindu leaders should learn to be more outgoing and reduce their whining." 

Prahalad adds:
"certificates of de-baptism" are gettin popular and we ave every reason to make them popular!
Raj Kashyap is less enthused:
"This is the typical unanalyzed overexcitement that we can see among Hindus. Just because one denomination reports a drop in number of baptisms, it really does not mean anything for us. We will only end up wasting our time which we should be focusing on serious issues - we have already lost a lot of time..." 

June 17
Fwd: A talk on 'Breaking India' in Hosur Tamil Sangam
Srinivasan notes: Reestablish the Indian Integrity Speech given in Hosur Tamil Sangam on12.June, 2011. in Tamil on Breaking India ,and the following is based on rough notes by a...

June 17
Inventing the 'Dravidian' Race - Excerpt from 'Breaking India'
Excerpted with permission from Malhotra, Rajiv and Aravindan Neelakandan, "Breaking India: Western Interventions in Dravidian and Dalit Faultlines," Amaryllis...

June 17
Research paper: Exporting Christianity: Governance and Doctrine in t
Chitra provides a link: An academic research paper worth reading. Has lots of data and statistical models. ...

This thread below got lots of feedback. Check it out in the form by clicking this link. We will try to cover this in a separate post. 
June 19
"Jesus in India" thesis is a form of inculturation like St. Thomas m
I dont personally believe in the jesus-in-india thesis. it is entirely speculative and based on one-sided evidence. But many indians like to believe it. THIS...
 
June 19
Book Review by UCLA Prof. Sardesai
Prof. Sardesai has given permission to publish, copy and distribute the following review.

Book Review:
Rajiv Malhotra and Aravindan Neelakandan, Breaking India: Western Interventions in Dravidian and Dalit Faultlines, Bhopal, India, Amaryllis, 2011.
This is a very important book both for students of Indian politics and society in the post-Independence era. It is also important for Westerners, particularly Americans, who are interested in the preservation and strengthening of the Indian polity,  more so as a thriving democracy, the largest on the planet. If the policy-makers in the Western capitals, including Washington D.C. are working for  India to emerge  strong and united as a bulwark against arising China, they should closely read this tome, as providing  substantial and irrefutable evidence of a  section of its citizenry working to contrary purposes of breaking India to facilitate the proselytizing of its Hindu population,...

June 19
Foreign Policy Magazine on: Faith in the Market
A few years ago there was a front page article in the Foreign Policy Magazine ...

RMF Summary: Week of March 22-28, 2011

March 22
Another example for chpt 8 - Kalai Kaviri
[Chpt 8 discusses numerous ways by which inculturation is being used to dupe naive Hindus into slipping into Christianity without knowing it. The appropriation of Hindu bharatnatyam dance to propagate Christianity is given as one example. Below is another.]

Kalai Kaviri was founded by a Jesuit priest by name Fr. S.M. George in 1977 at Tiruchirappalli in the Southern part of India...

... no Christian family came forward to support him as dance was considered profane....

... Kalai Kaviri brought out ‘Yesu Kaaviyam’ the poetical life history of the Jesus Christ written by the famous Tamil film lyricist Kannadasan...

... many tourists from various countries, Catholic fraternity in particular started showing interest in Kalai Kaviri visiting the institution. With such rapid growth, Kalai Kaviri inaugurated the full-time Bharathanatyam diploma course ...

... Inspired by the art forms fostered in the Hindu temples, Kalai Kaviri choreographed Indian classical and semi-classical dances on liturgical themes and presented them during the masses. Such performances were acclaimed to by the Christian community the world over as something unique and the first of its kind....

... In 1999, Kalai Kaviri introduced Post-graduate degree courses in Bharathanatyam and music...

Rakesh asks:
"Frankly, what is wrong with this? Afterall, Rukmini Arundale, had to recuperate Bharata Natyam from a Devadasi art form which was looked down upon, and make it respectable for most Hindus.

In fact Hindus should appropriate western art forms to propogate their culture. Imagine providing an intellectual back bone to the traditional African and Latin American faiths by incorporating the Peruvian Inca Sun God as Surya Narayana and Krishna and Kali as the Black Pride Divinities. It is better to make Hinduism an inclusive, global faith..." 

Response to Rakesh's post:
[Inclusiveness is not the same thin as appropriation for the sake of deception.] Inclusiveness is sharing the same platform with another idea or culture with equal diginity. What Kalai Kaviri is doing is not what Rukmini Arundale did.

Inclusivism is not appropriating other culture and practices.
Interpreting the Peruvian and African gods and godesses as Hindu gods and goddess would be appropriation. However, researching about similarities and differences is a different matter altogether.

[What is being criticized is INCULTURATION which is a very defined Church strategy to assimilate "portions" of the target culture in order to make Christianity more easily accepted. It is their entry strategy. This is not what genuine inclusiveness means. When Ravana came dressed like a sadhu, he was not practicing inclusiveness.]]


Another commentator states:
"Christian inculturation camouflages and conceals its real tentions and does not come with benign intentions."


March 22
Look at who is coming to educate Indians!!
ARTICLE IN INDIAN EXPRESS After Beijing, University of Chicago plans centre in Delhi A prestigious university, with a well-established academic reputation for...

March 23
Varna and Caste (jati): What Vedic Literature says - article
Vedic Literature Says Caste by Birth is Unjust
By Stephen Knapp (Sri Nandanandana dasa)
            ...We all know that the Vedic system of Varnashrama has been mentioned in the Vedic literature in many places. But it seems that many people still don't understand how it was meant to be implemented. It is not because of Varnashrama, but because of this misunderstanding of what it really is that has caused so many of India's social problems. This article contains many quotes from Vedic shastra to clarify what the Varnashrama or caste system is actually supposed to be...

March 24
USCIRF Reports an Analysis (Chapter 15)
Aravindan Neelakandan: Chapter 15 of 'Breaking India' deals with the US Government's direct involvement in Indian society and polity. The book shows how the US Commission on International Religious Freedom is one such tool for intervention.(Pages 271 to 283)

The book shows how every one in the commission has been handpicked to serve the agenda of US political interests. They are also people with strong global evangelical ambitions. For example its past commissioners include Eliot Abrams, undersecretary of state for President Ronald Reagan and notorious for his role in the Iran-Contra Affair. Another key commissioner of USCIRF Richard Land was named by TIME magazine as one of the twenty five most influential evangelicals in America...

A. Neelakandan then responded to a question from a commentator:
//In the first part, you will notice a question referring to the "brahmanical" system of "enforcing" varna. Is that historically true? That is, did brahmins actively "enforce" varna, or did they just strictly "observe" it?//

Yesterday a well known Marxist writer interviewed me for his blog on 'Breaking India'. If you know Tamil please go through the audio interview. The interview
precisely touches upon this question. [Here is the mp3 version of the Tamil interview].

http://marudhang.blogspot.com/2011/03/blog-post_21.html

Varna system could not have been enforced by any particular community. Those communities that wielded political, financial powers along with those who were considered the authorities of Dharma should have created this over a long period of time and with enormous regional variations. It was a social contract at its best and it had its ills and merits.
March 24
Re: N.S. Rajaram's column on human rights hypocrisy
The following column on 'Human rights Madness' appeared in the latest issue of Newsgram.

March 24
Re: Who educates Indian MP's - guess ?-- who is to blame?
 N. S. Rajaram: Why blame them? They are just filing the vacuum left by Hindu 'thinkers' or 'non-thinkers'.

For over a decade myself and others have been urging the Sangh organizations to set up some bona fide think tanks devoted to education, economics and especially national security. They need to be staffed by outside scholars of proven track record.

But what do they do? They coin some Sanskrit term like Bauddhik Sangh, Itihasa Samiti, Vedic mathematics, etc and put people with no qualifications beyond Sangh association.

Sangh organizations have saddled themselves with the debilitating dogma tha answers are to be found by going back to an imaginary Vedic past. This
revivalist attitude hangs like an albtross around the necks (and brains) of Sangh thinkers, and they are sinking deeper into the morass.

So why blame the Ford Foundation if they are filling the vacuum left by Hindu 'bauddhiks'?

March 25
Dark side of giving: The rise of philanthro-capitalism
This article was forwarded by my friend Prashanth Vaidyaraj. It notes from the economic stand point the truth of how philanthropic money is being used to not...

March 25
Wickileaks: US Ambassador monitored Dalit tensions secretly
Please note that this is ""This record is a partial extract of the original cable. The full text of the original cable is not available...

March 26
Christians launch political party in Tamil Nadu

Varna and jati (caste)
we have already covered lengthy and useful debates on this topic and this thread continues the analysis. Here is the link to the previous discussion.
Vijaya Rajiva: Comment on Dr. Elst's observation that Jati and Hinduism have been associated for at least two thousand years:

Jati has been wrongly translated as 'caste' since the Portuguese did so based on their erroneous theory of different races existing in India. There were a variety of ethnicities in ancient India, but not different races.

Jati arose out of the shrenis (guilds) out of economic necessity, the need for specialisation for producing the goods for both trade and domestic consumption. It is generally assumed that shrenis did not exist in the early Vedic period, although some scholars seem to think that there were the beginnings of shrenis in that time frame.

Certainly by the post Vedic period they existed and the loose social formations of the period became crystallised into Jatis...

Dr. Aravindan Neelakandan responded to Vijaya Rajiva. I've carried more detailed excerpts since Dr. Neelakandan cited a short story of Isaac Asimov as a reference in his response :)

 
 //I disagree with your implicit statement that Jati and Hinduism are actually intertwined. In that regard you and Dr.Elst seem to be in agreement!//

No. Exactly opposite is the case. Perhaps the following statement of mine has been misunderstood: //So Jaathi is as inherently intertwined with Hinduism as much as birth-based institutions of Europe are inherently intertwined with Christian theology.//

Now the birth-based multi-layered institutions of pre-modern Europe were supported by Christian theologians and law-makers. This does not make Christianity, in the eyes of modern scholars, a supporter of this system. However with Hinduism different yard sticks are used. An essentialist argument
is put forth to say that Hinduism is intertwined with Jaathi. This is simply not the complete picture and is a distorted picture of history. In this connection,
with regard to the evolution of untouchability, one of the best insights on the subject is in an unexpected realm. I suggest the science fiction short story
"Strikebreaker," by Isaac Asimov, in "Anthropology Through Science Fiction", (Ed. Carol Mason, Martin Harry Green- berg, and Patricia Warrick, New York: St. Martin's Press, 1974)Unfortunately I lost my copy of this wonderful collection.:( In the related discussion, Asimov states that caste system evolves
in a society with limited resources and limited mobility...
...Veracity of this speculation by the good doctor of science fiction, can be further validated by the fact that pre-Modern Europe also had defiled trades and ritual notions of purity and untouchability. It is not just an accident that not many works or literature can be found on this subject in the Western curriculum. The one rare book I came across in this regard is "Defiled Trades and Social Outcasts: Honor and Ritual Pollution in Early Modern Germany" by Kathy Stuart
(Cambridge University Press 2006)...
[I found a free and legal archived pdf link to Kathy Stuart's work here]

... So we need not justify or label Jaathi as an uniquely Indic phenomenon. But what one finds unique as an Indian is this: There is not a single instance of mass movement in Christendom that spoke for these voiceless people of dishonorable trades.

... So caste system can evolve anywhere given the appropriate social conditions. In India it became rigid with colonial resource drain. In Europe it withered away with enormous inflow of capital and resources ...

... I also think those who want to somehow preserve the Jaathi and project it in a positive light often fail to see the dark alchemy that this system is undergoing
in India....

 ... Here let me again quote 'Breaking India' which deals more objectively the situation and the pros and cons of Jaathi. This is from Chapter 5 of the book and is under the sub-heading "Building on Max Muller's work":
Prior to colonialism, the jati-varna system in India had little, if anything, to do with race, ethnicity, or genetics. It was better understood as a set of distinctions based on traditional or inherited social status derived from work roles...

... Max Müller, who was largely responsible for entrenching the racial framework for studying jati, had his own evangelical motive. In his view, caste: which has hitherto proved an impediment to conversion of the Hindus, may in future became one of the most powerful engines for the conversion...

 ... Today Jaathi has become an important and effective tool for community evangelism. So those who bat for it should take this worrying aspect into consideration.

[there were some followup responses, but for brevity, we will stop here. Readers can click the RMF link and read the discussion in its entirety]

March 28
Princeton Univ, March 31: My debate with prominent Indian Christian
Rajiv Malhotra: On March 31, Princeton Univ will hold a discussion/debate on my book, "Breaking India: Western Interventions in Dravidian and Dalit Faultlines."
The response to my talk will be given by the Rev. Dr. Nehemiah Thompson. He is the Pastor at Wesley United Methodist Church, as well as General Secretary, National Association of Asian American Christians in the USA. He is a well-known leader for Dalit activism before the UN, US Government in Washington, Indian Embassy, and media. 
March