Showing posts with label Tribe. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Tribe. Show all posts

RMF Summary: Week of May 30 - June 5, 2011

May 30 
Fw: correction
'The Absent Hero in Lord Meghnad Desai's Narrative' Dr. Vijaya Rajiva (Haindava Keralam,29/05/2011) Two recent books, one by an historian of modern India and...

May 30
Western self-analysis always excuses itself....
Karigar posted this:
Western self-analysis almost always excuses itself even while it (the US in this case) is busy breaking countries via a variety if interventions. Here's a review of a book [Liberal Leviathan: The Origins, Crisis, and Transformation of the American World Order . ISBN-10: 9780691125589] by G John Ikenberry (Princeton Professor of politics & Int' affairs) 
... Non-westerners (like most in the Indian intellectual class) are being extremely naive in taking this benign self-image of the West at face value. Per review (at http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/ME28Dj01.html ): [Reviewer uses some Leftist categories to analyse, but still makes key critical points] ...

May 30
DICCI - Dalit Indian Chamber of Commerce & Industries
Yesterday I came across DICCI - 'Dalit Indian Chamber of Commerce & Industries '. The About Us page provides below info about the organization-

"Dalit Indian Chamber of Commerce and Industry (DICCI) was established in the year 2005 to instil the spirit of entrepreneurship among dalit youth and to empower them ...
This appears to be a genuine group. More learned members may please comment on it. Just curious if Rajivji has included this somewhere in Breaking India...

May 30

Church of South India Bishops meet CM of TN, Jayalalitha
Interestingly it is a John Malhotra reporting for Christian today website. Church has made deep penetrations in Punjab in recent years. CSI Bishops greet TN...

May 30
This is a very important thread and a real success story where intellectual activism by dedicated Hindus forced a change in the terribly biased discourse, and allowed readers to see both sides of the story. 
Thanks to you: Backtracking by Outlook magazine
Rajiv Malhotra: In an unprecedented move (especially when it comes to dharma), Outlook magazine has printed excerpts from 19 critics of its review. After that these, also printed in a box a portion of my letter to them. This shows clearly the importance of intellectual activism, and not letting injustice continue unchallenged.
To those who wrote to me in a defeatist way asking that I should simply ignore the horrible review, to those who said things like why give our opponents undue importance, and to those gave excuses for not wanting to write, I hope this example will serve to inspire future action by them.
To those who wrote to Outlook, whether their letter was selected to be printed or not, I send my sincere thanks for the support.

May 31
This is another must-read thread. Sandeep Balakrishna, the firebrand Indic scholar, historian, and writer who also manages the very popular "Rediscovery of India" blog, interviews Rajiv Malhotra.
My Interview with Sri Rajiv Malhotra
Sandeep: Hello all, This is my first post here. Last week, I had the fortune to do an email interview of Sri Rajiv Malhotra about Breaking India, ...
You can also read the entire interview on Sandeepweb.

June 2
Facebook discussion on Breaking India
Dear Friends I came across this site on facebook discussin Breaking India book. Are there others in facebook, orkut etc. Rare Book Society of India's Photos -...

June 2

New York Times - Op Ed articles by Kristof
Neeshabda posts:
Op-Ed Columnist Nicholas D. Kristof
"She is 10 and May Be Sold to a Brothel"
 Slavery still exists, as reflected in the story of a 10-year-old Indian girl who wants to be a doctor but may be headed for a brothel. This is the second article in two weeks. The first one identified the 'International Justice Mission' as the group that asked Kristof to go with them. If you goggle the IJM, you will see that they are a Washington DC based christian mission.

The IJM and the use of 'slavery' are the two key words that Rajiv Malhotra has been talking about.

I had written a letter to NYTIMES after the first article appeared. Not only my letter did not get published, this second in the series is out in print today. In the last article the girls were identified by their Hindu names, this time it's only an initial...

June 2
Demanding libraries buy the Book
Karthi has a great suggestion on how you can help: One way to ensure this book is available for reading is to ensure the pubic and academic library buy them. In most western nations a request could be made and is usually procured. I would not advise "donating the book" as this looses its value and the book has greater chances reaching the shelf if a purchase request/demand is made. I have made a request in 1 Academic library and 2 local libraries and an order has already been placed...

June 5
Christianizing Bharatanatayam - Excerpt from "Breaking India"
...We have permission from the authors to cull small exerpts from the book periodically and release it to the Internet...

June 5
This is an important post by Rajiv Malhotra that talks about scientific results that further solidify the thesis of 'Breaking India', while exposing the agenda of vested interests.
Genetics report on the origin of Indians
"The story of our origins"
Open Magazine, May 28, 2011.
EXCERPTS FROM THE CONCLUSION:
"The first thing that the evidence suggests is that the origins of Hartosh's R1a1 haplogroup lie in India. Thus, a large part of Central Asia, Southern Russia, Ukraine onwards to the Czech Republic may well be populated by a 15,000-year-old migration from India. Given the timeframe of the origins of the R1a1 haplogroup in India, it is important to note that this does not rule out a subsequent re-entry of people from Central Asia bearing this marker into India at a much later date. As further sub-lineages of Hartosh's R1a1 are studied, it may well be possible to answer even this question. The second part of their conclusions rests on the fact that the proportion of R1a1 in some Brahmin groups such as those of West Bengal is as high as 72 per cent. This indicates that the origins of Brahmins as a caste may well lie in the R1a1 haplogroup. But since the antiquity of the Ra1a haplogroup in tribals such as Central India's Sahariyas is older than it is among Brahmins, it is reasonable to believe that Brahmins may not be entrants from outside but may have originated as a caste from the tribal population of this country."
Another article that discusses this report is here.

June 5
Seva Bharathis new news
Finally, There seems to be a nationalistic news website opened now by Seva bharathi 

RMF Summary: Week of March 7-14, 2011

March 7
Indian Christian lashes against 'breaking India' activities by Church
This long post has 2 items. PART I is a letter by an IndianChristian activist against the Church's politics of the kind that are breakingIndian communities by...

March 8
Madurai book club
I wish to thank Suri for the superb arrangement for launching the book "Breaking India" in Madurai. This was the major and unique function apart from...

Chennai launch featured in Arsha Vidya Newsletter
Chennai launch of Breaking India is featured in the February issue of the Arsha Vidya newsletter


Comment by Prof Shiva Bajpai
(Professor Emeritus at the California State University of Northridge. Co-author of, "A Historical Atlas of South Asia."
"This is an impressive work based on solid and thorough research on the major theme, Western Interventions in Dravidian and Dalit Faultlines. Your treatment of the subject is both scholarly and exhaustive as well as dispassionate. The book is indeed revelatory  because there is no other authentic account of how the global nexus of anti-India agencies and their Indian agents have undermined the unity of a democratic India ...

Koenraad Elst, the distinguished scholar comments:

Dear listfolk,
 
>Durgavati was born in Chandella clan of the Rajputs from and she was married in a Raj-Gond family. There is a theory that the Raj-Gonds are descendants of Rajputs who intermarried among Gonds. There is another theory that claims that the Chandellas were derived from the Gonds, the marriage of Durgavati is cited in support of this thesis. <

Chandella looks like it is derived from the related tribal ethnonyms Gond/Kond/Kandh. So does, probably, Chandâla. Ptolemy mentions the Kandaloi as an Indian tribe. In Wendy Doniger's Manu Smrti translation, Chandâla is given a literal interpretation, "the 'fierce' untouchables", which may well be how Manu himself understood the term. But that would be folk etymology, overlaid on a purely ethnic term such as Kand/Kandaloi. The name Chandâla is mentioned in the Chandogya Up.,..


March 8
Re: tribe and caste (jati)
It is a question of interest as to when and why Untouchability arose. And the question of the relationship of Jati to Varna. In my article 'Gandhiji was right...

March 8
Madurai disscusion of the book: March 6.
Book Readers' Club at Madurai had arranged for an introductory lecture on 'Breaking India' book at Arvind Eye Hospital auditorium...

March 9
US tops Rs 31,000cr-donation list (2006-09)
[The book has an appendix on this data and examines the activities of the westernn nexus and Indian recipients. The actual sums are much larger.]
SHOCKING! A large portion of this money comes from organizations with vested interests in India, as mentioned in BI (e.g. church-based proselytizing orgs) 31K crores in Rupees at the current (2012) exchange rate is about $6.2 Billion using 2009 exchange rate of 37Rs/$, this comes out to about $8.3 Billion. Of this, about 1/3 or about $2Billion comes from the US alone.

March 9
Ashani Sanket
Another example of an organization meddling in internal Indian affairs. so much for sovereignty.
(original news link was broken. I've googled and updated with live link)

March 9
No quota benefits after conversion: High Court
No quota benefits after conversion...

March 9
Re: Tribe and caaste (jati)
Dear Dr. Elst, Here is the train of thought: Both tribes and Jati were endogamous, but the Jati was linked to the economic unit of the shreni(guild). Jati...

March 10
Re: N.S. Rajaram on BREAKING INDIA by Malhotra and Neelakandan
Distinguished scholar N.S. Rajaram notes:
The Chicago based NEWSGRAM carried my article on the book Breaking India by Rajiv Malhotra and Aravindan Neelkandan. It can be found here.

March 10
Plight of scavenger dalit communities
Vijay Rajiva adds:
Below is a relevant account of the position of the Bhangis. You may kindly read the attached pdf on present Dalit (Scavengers). Here's the dostoc link.


March 10
N.S. Rajaram's press statement
*March 11, 2011* ** Here is an advance copy of the statement being released to the media at 10:00 AM today (March 11).
Here is an advance copy of the statement being released to the media at 10:00 AM today (March 11). The book Breaking India will also be presented at the meet. The opinions given below are my own though I have consulted the book. I take full reponsibility [sic] for it.
 - N.S. Rajaram
March 11, 2011: Statement to the media
Meeting on conversions: Summary of Dr Navaratna Rajaram’s presentation:
1.       Christian churches and their affiliated organizations must be seen as multinational socio-political entities that have no spiritual or even religious content.
2.       Their officials like bishops, archbishops, etc are not spiritual leaders but bureaucrats appointed by their masters like the Vatican, Church of England, etc. They can call themselves His Holiness, but they are no more than appointed representatives of foreign multinational corporations....

March 11
Is there a gene that prevent us from falling apart even as we quarrel
Link.
Just as no Hindi movie can survive without a Comic Relief so no Indian discussion group can survive without some Intellectual Relief...
 
March 12
Dalit Freedom Network
Below is an excerpt from "Breaking India" (pages 220 to 222) pertaining to Dalit
Freedom Network (DFN):
[BEGIN EXCERPT]:
Dalit Freedom Network, based in Colorado, USA, is an example of a West-run organization that professes to champion Indian Dalit emancipation through policy advocacy in the power centers of the USA.

March 13
Re; Tribe and caste (jati)
N. S. Rajaram comments: 
I agree wholeheartedly with Shri Aravindan Neelakandan's view that we should move quickly and resolutely to remove any lingering injustices towards the Dalits. Much has already been done by GOI, individuals, NGOs and the nationalist organisations. More can be done.

We have to do it because it is our Dharma, not because the EU or other busy bodies are trying to tell us what is ethical behaviour...

March 13
Arya
Koenraad Elst comments:
The use of Arya cognates in Hittite and Lycian (Anatolian) in the sense of compatriot, fellow citizen is given in standard textbooks of Indo-European linguistics, such as JP Mallory, and in the On-line Etymological Dictionary http://www.etymonline.com/

The same in Iranian is beyond dispute. Iran <= Airyanam Khshathra. In 2006, Tajikistan hosted the UNESCO-sponsored World Aryan Fair, or so, where Aryan in effect meant Iranian,...

 
Blogger's note (November 2012):
The contributions from noted Indian scholars (aside from the authors of 'Breaking India' themselves) like NS Rajaram, Koenraad Elst, Vijay Rajiva, among others, to the initial  RMF debates are outstanding, and establish a certain level of rigor and burden of proof in the discussions apart from not shying away from naming some of the big problems that confront Hindu society in India, i.e. Dalit emancipation, and made a strong case (both based on Hindu texts as well as empirical evidence) for bringing them back into the Hindu fold, if its not too late ....